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Proof religion is good for something

Postby PKMKII on Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:28 pm

Most of the year, Coca-cola is made with high fructose corn syrup, due to the fact that it's cheap. However, it's also sickly, syrupy sweet. However, due to something called passover (involves Jews and some sort of revenge for an Egyptian e-mail scam or something), Jews can't consume anything made in an "artificial" process, so HFCS is out. So for a few brief, glorious weeks, you can get coke with real sugar in it: :drinking:

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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Tigger_the_Wing on Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:52 pm

So, Coca Cola is only the 'real thing' outside America. Oh, the irony… :)
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Talmanut on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:31 pm

For pirates who prefer their Coca Cola "old-school" year-round, sail to Mexico, or order Mexican Coca Cola online. In the US, it's widely available on the West Coast.

HFCS-sweetened Coke? .... aaaaargh!
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby black bart on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:05 am

Talmanut wrote:For pirates who prefer their Coca Cola "old-school" year-round, sail to Mexico, or order Mexican Coca Cola online. In the US, it's widely available on the West Coast.

HFCS-sweetened Coke? .... aaaaargh!


Arrgh, ye'd have to pay for thee Mexican Cola with Pieces of Eight...then it would be THE REALES thing:

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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby DavidH on Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:41 am

A new brand - Kosher Kola! :lol:
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby ET, the Extra Terrestrial on Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:13 am

black bart wrote:
Talmanut wrote:For pirates who prefer their Coca Cola "old-school" year-round, sail to Mexico, or order Mexican Coca Cola online. In the US, it's widely available on the West Coast.

HFCS-sweetened Coke? .... aaaaargh!


Arrgh, ye'd have to pay for thee Mexican Cola with Pieces of Eight...then it would be THE REALES thing:

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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Arkaeon on Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:14 am

You can thank Archer-Daniels-Midland Corporation, the biggest of the corrupt agricultural megacorps in USA that buy up equally corrupt congressmen to increase their quarterly profits. Congressmen are a good investment, apparently, because they can vote for subsidies and tariffs that knock out your competition. HFCS is made from subsidized USA corn that is turned into this metabolic poison that keeps the population sluggish and uncaring. Cane/beet sugar are mostly imported from Canada, Hawaii, and Latin America, so it's harder for them to buy congressmen to keep a free market.

ADM Corp is now running emotional "Don't worry, be happy," style TV ads to try to counter the scientific evidence that demonstrates the dangers of their food additive.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Almighty Doer of Stuff on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:55 pm

What are these dangers, exactly, and have they been shown to be attributable to the HFCS itself and not merely to the fact that people eat more of it because it's cheaper?

Maybe it doesn't taste as good as cane sugar, but is it actually more harmful? As far as I was aware it's actually a hair healthier, because there's slightly less glucose, which can be used by the body as-is, and slightly more fructose, which needs to be converted to glucose before it can be used.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Arkaeon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:06 am

You're funny sometimes.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby PKMKII on Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:48 am

Almighty Doer of Stuff wrote:What are these dangers, exactly, and have they been shown to be attributable to the HFCS itself and not merely to the fact that people eat more of it because it's cheaper?

Maybe it doesn't taste as good as cane sugar, but is it actually more harmful? As far as I was aware it's actually a hair healthier, because there's slightly less glucose, which can be used by the body as-is, and slightly more fructose, which needs to be converted to glucose before it can be used.


A Rutgers study found HFCS increases risk for diabetes:

n the current study, Chi-Tang Ho, Ph.D., conducted chemical tests among 11 different carbonated soft drinks containing HFCS. He found 'astonishingly high' levels of reactive carbonyls in those beverages. These undesirable and highly-reactive compounds associated with "unbound" fructose and glucose molecules are believed to cause tissue damage, says Ho, a professor of food science at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J. By contrast, reactive carbonyls are not present in table sugar, whose fructose and glucose components are "bound" and chemically stable, the researcher notes.


A Princeton study found that HFCS increases weight at a higher rate than sucrose in mice:

male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Almighty Doer of Stuff on Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:37 am

Thanks, PKMKII. Thanks for nothing, Arkaeon. :annoyed:

The study in that second link sounds methodologically flawed though. For the first experiment, rather than comparing the levels of sugar and HFCS to different brands of soda which may use greater or lesser levels, they should have simply used the same weight of each. As for the second, they compared bland food to bland food + sugar. OF COURSE the rats will get fatter on the latter. It's nonsense.

As for the first, so they proved some common HFCS sodas (the article doesn't specify which) contain carbon monoxide. They claim it's associated with the HFCS, but did they prove it? All it says they proved is that the sodas contained it, not that it was introduced alongside or produced as a result of the HFCS. The toxin could have easily been introduced as a result of the operation of faulty bottling machinery, or anywhere else along the line of the soda's production.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Arkaeon on Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:15 am

You're welcome. I try to be worth what I cost. Sometimes, repeating several hours of searches, presenting it with documentation, quotes, and edited tie-together text, explaining several angles of thought on the subject, and then spending several more hours re-researching and/or defending my conclusions to a potentially categorically skeptical audience is just more work than a given subject is worth to me. How about the short version?

HFCS is a crappy food ingredient from culinary, health, and safety points of view. The process by which it is created industrially and subsequently used is both dangerous and unappealing. The only real reason it is on the market is because big agro bought people off. None of this is a real secret. They just don't care. They don't have to. They are big.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby PKMKII on Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:49 pm

Almighty Doer of Stuff wrote:As for the second, they compared bland food to bland food + sugar. OF COURSE the rats will get fatter on the latter. It's nonsense.


Ummm, no. They compared bland food + sugar to bland food + HFCS. And the HFCS diet produced bigger weight gains despite having a lower amount of sweetener than the the sucrose diet.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby bacon on Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:57 pm

A good documentary to watch regarding US food practices is Food Inc. I think it's available on Netflix.
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Re: Proof religion is good for something

Postby Almighty Doer of Stuff on Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:34 pm

Well, excuse me, Arkaeon, for assuming the burden of proof was on the person making the claim. Perhaps I was unreasonable in reacting with annoyance when you treated me like an idiot when I had the nerve to ask you to back up what you said with the facts I assumed you had.

My field of expertise is not science, and I have no clue where or how to look to find scientific studies. I study computers, not nutritional science. If I make a claim, I try to be ready to back it up with facts and/or logic, or at least have some idea where to find the facts. If I make the mistake of saying something without knowing what I'm talking about, I freely admit it and apologize if someone calls me on it. Either way, I try to do so respectfully. I expect others to do the same, especially on a forum such as this where most of us come to learn from each other and gain a broader perspective than our regular lives, with limited time to pursue every interest we would like due to other obligations, would allow us to gain on our own. I don't come here expecting people to laugh at me because I don't know something, and I don't appreciate it. If you're going to laugh at me, at least let me know why you're laughing at me instead of just sneering. I understand that debates on this forum can get heated, but there's a difference between heat and acid.

And PKMKII, I stand corrected. I misread what that article said. Thank you for enlightening me.

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