Eloquently put Mr Hunter.
I have offered to teach him, yet he literally doesn't heed my words. However, you can lead a man to pasta, but you cannot make him eat. I can't as yet like him, but I would not turn him away if he was in need of sustenance - spiritually or spaghettily.
On the other hand, I had an email from a reader of the same thread informing me that he has joined the Fedelini - he went to look at the Venganza "How to join" page and accidentally managed to join. You know, because there isn't actually the requirement to join.
I'd say that was success in its own right - and I'll keep going the way I usually go. I'm seriously looking forwards to cooking al forno meatballs for the Mormons when they next visit!